Audience Applauds To Workshop CEO Who Harshly Responded To KGB Head Tsiartsel At His Meeting With Hrodna Azot Workers
- 18.12.2020, 15:18
The transcript of this moment has been published.
The first and only question for the entire meeting of the KGB head Ivan Tsiartsel with the staff of the Hrodna Azot enterprise sounded when a workshop CEO harshly objected to him.
Nasha Niva has published a transcript of that moment of the meeting. It is worth noting that it was the first question coming from the audience. Herein, the KGB head was telling how the police in the United States are operating, and from which economic problems the European countries are suffering.
Workshop CEO:
— I have several questions, but before I ask them, I would like to comment on your words. As for Poland, Germany. The point is, the people who are sitting here in the audience, have relatives, many of whom work abroad - children, or other family members. We know firsthand what is going on there, so I quite disagree with what you are saying that there is some mayhem there.
As for the United States, don’t forget there is free weapon trade there, and every citizen can acquire weapons. This affects the actions of a policeman, as the person whom the officer is trying to detain may have a gun in the pocket. I’m sorry, but our people are not armed.
What is democracy in your understanding? Please explain it to us, so that we understand, too. So far, we understand one thing: do not stick out, hush down, or you will be “wasted in the outhouse” (the audience burst out with applause).
Ivan Tsiartsel answers:
— Poland takes such a policy towards Belarus, an aggressive policy, without considering close interests. It does not assess its strategic interests in perspective. Poland has its own problems, which I already listed. Do you deny the fact they have manifestations there every Sunday?
People from the audience, dozens of voices: “Those are about abortions!”
Tsiartsel: The many-thousand manifestations are being held…
People from the audience, dozens of voices: No!
Tsiartsel: …Against abortions, nationalist rallies, then those dissatisfied with the Law and Justice party, the road movement is blocked…
A woman in the audience: Oh, so scary!
Tsiartsel: There you go! As for the US - didn’t Autukhovich have weapons?
A voice from the audience: Where did you take him anyway? (laughter in the audience)
Tsiartsel: In the garage… Do you think that blasting a riot policeman’s car near the kindergarden is normal? (noise in the audience)
A woman’s voice: Do you think that murdering a person is normal?
A man’s voice: And where did the Russian puppeteers disappear?
Tsiartsel: You will see the Russian puppeteers. Mr. Babaryka will undergo an open trial, and you will see everything.
As for democracy… (noise in the audience) I am listening to you very attentively, isn’t it so? First, if we stand on the position of watching not internet, but the real thing, and those that I know about are as follows - there are two forms of influencing your neighbour: the hot phase of war and direct force — we have had peace with the neighbours so far, but everything seems to be moving in that direction, — and the second one is the so-called soft power.
The soft power is the allocation of assets, projects, cultural promotion, something you do not feel. You think that the cheese is free, but it’s not.
Voice from the audience: What cheese are you talking about?
Tsiartsel: With regard to democracy, promoting democracy is the position of the West to advance its interests. This is my subjective point of view as a person in control of the situation.
In general, I think that democracy is political technology.
Voice from the audience: Really?
Tsiartsel: Try to convince me of the opposite. There are different theories: both the theory of elites and the theory of social contract, those who studied know all this. By and large, these are political technologies.
Judging by the audio recording of Ivan Tsiarrtel's meeting, as well as the video of a similar performance at Naftan in Navapolatsk and other meetings of officials at enterprises, the speakers do not understand the audience, and do not know public sentiments in general.
Officials speak to people as if they are uneducated people who believe everything, for whom the only source of information is the Belarusian Television. Judging by the reaction of the audience, this makes a disastrous impression on people.
“You are telling us here what our system is doing, and I have workers with CXOVID-19 who are forced to wait for 2-3 days till they are sent to hospital, because there are no places. They tell one thing on TV, and there is another in reality,” the worker of the “Karbamid” workshop says indignantly in Tsiartsel’s face.
“Is this a concept of national security to make the statistics, let us say, digestible?” another worker mocked the KGB boss.